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		<title>By: Steve Cutway</title>
		<link>http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=146&#038;cpage=1#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Cutway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For screen reader users (and possibly sighted people too) having trouble accessing or understanding the new interface in Word, Excel and PowerPoint 2007, I suggest trying Classic Menu for Office 2007  v 3.5 from http://www.addintools.com. Once installed, press Alt+q twice (ie., Alt+q, q) to bring up the Office 2007 toolbar as a menu. Instead of navigating horizontally across the toolbar as in office 2003, down arrow to hear each menu choice. Most have submenus which you open with Right Arrow. I just installed this software for a new student and she&#039;s very happy with it. You can try it for free for 15 days after which it costs $29.95 US. Easier than rolling back to office 2003.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For screen reader users (and possibly sighted people too) having trouble accessing or understanding the new interface in Word, Excel and PowerPoint 2007, I suggest trying Classic Menu for Office 2007  v 3.5 from <a href="http://www.addintools.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.addintools.com</a>. Once installed, press Alt+q twice (ie., Alt+q, q) to bring up the Office 2007 toolbar as a menu. Instead of navigating horizontally across the toolbar as in office 2003, down arrow to hear each menu choice. Most have submenus which you open with Right Arrow. I just installed this software for a new student and she&#8217;s very happy with it. You can try it for free for 15 days after which it costs $29.95 US. Easier than rolling back to office 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=146&#038;cpage=1#comment-1292</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a usability point of view you can see just what they&#039;ve tried to do, which is to optimise for the most used functions. It&#039;s well known that 80% of people use 20% of the functions of a program like Word. Now they&#039;ve optimised for the 80%

However, I think probably 90% or more of their users are quite used to the old interface, so their is quite a learning &#039;hump&#039;. For most, it&#039;s probably more effective. I use both, and for some of the more complex tasks 2007 is much easier (e.g. doing columns). However, some simple things that I used to know catch me out (e.g. inserting captions).

From a screen reader point of view, I can&#039;t argue with Léonie&#039;s points, there could certainly be more done to aid people over the learning &#039;hump&#039;. On the other hand, I think once the dust settles, Office 2007 will be considered a better interface overall, so I hope that support can be put in place to help screen reader users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a usability point of view you can see just what they&#8217;ve tried to do, which is to optimise for the most used functions. It&#8217;s well known that 80% of people use 20% of the functions of a program like Word. Now they&#8217;ve optimised for the 80%</p>
<p>However, I think probably 90% or more of their users are quite used to the old interface, so their is quite a learning &#8216;hump&#8217;. For most, it&#8217;s probably more effective. I use both, and for some of the more complex tasks 2007 is much easier (e.g. doing columns). However, some simple things that I used to know catch me out (e.g. inserting captions).</p>
<p>From a screen reader point of view, I can&#8217;t argue with Léonie&#8217;s points, there could certainly be more done to aid people over the learning &#8216;hump&#8217;. On the other hand, I think once the dust settles, Office 2007 will be considered a better interface overall, so I hope that support can be put in place to help screen reader users.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=146&#038;cpage=1#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben 'Cerbera' Millard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So when it comes to IE7, being able to see is a disadvantage? Just as well I use Firefox for regular browsing. :)

I&#039;m avoiding Vista and all the new breed of Microsoft interfaces. I find Windows XP a really productive environment and am happy to keep it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when it comes to IE7, being able to see is a disadvantage? Just as well I use Firefox for regular browsing. <img src="http://www.headstar.com/eablive/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>I&#8217;m avoiding Vista and all the new breed of Microsoft interfaces. I find Windows XP a really productive environment and am happy to keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: Léonie Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Léonie Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IE7 isn&#039;t too bad, it&#039;s not the fundamental shift away from the familiar interface that Office 2007 is. It&#039;s different, but not so radically that it feels like going back to Computing 101 class. 
I agree with Adrian that the tabs work much more effectively than having multiple browser windows open. I&#039;m sure he&#039;s also being much more pragmatic  about Office 2007 than I am, and he&#039;s certainly right in saying that it takes screen readers longer to catch up. 
I&#039;ve never counted the number of different key commands required to operate a screen reader comprehensively, but it&#039;s got to be up there in the hundreds. In one fell swoop, MS have added another overwhelming batch to the already extensive set. It can certanly be overcome, but I&#039;m not sure the pain outweighs the gain right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IE7 isn&#8217;t too bad, it&#8217;s not the fundamental shift away from the familiar interface that Office 2007 is. It&#8217;s different, but not so radically that it feels like going back to Computing 101 class.<br />
I agree with Adrian that the tabs work much more effectively than having multiple browser windows open. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s also being much more pragmatic  about Office 2007 than I am, and he&#8217;s certainly right in saying that it takes screen readers longer to catch up.<br />
I&#8217;ve never counted the number of different key commands required to operate a screen reader comprehensively, but it&#8217;s got to be up there in the hundreds. In one fell swoop, MS have added another overwhelming batch to the already extensive set. It can certanly be overcome, but I&#8217;m not sure the pain outweighs the gain right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Vnce T.</title>
		<link>http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=146&#038;cpage=1#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vnce T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several people here are miles further along the techie trail than I am, so what&#039;s the problem?

I only got rid of office 97 (yes, really) because Win XP started not to allow it to work properly. As Bill Gates once said, &quot;Our stuff works better with our stuff&quot;. Of course, I trust every word.

Casting MS Office aside was an opportunity to look at some alternatives, but they were all pretty hopeless for me, I regret to say. Having failed to get a squeak out of OpenOffice and having come unstuck with the various online suites (Zoho and the likes), I gave in and paid up for Office 2007 about 8 or 9 months ago.

Since then I&#039;ve mounted a sort of pincer movement approach to learning the thing, partly learning the odd new keystroke when I&#039;ve got the time, and mostly banging on with all those old keystrokes I was using before, and most of those work.

If I press Alt and get the Office button thing, and arrow right, I get pretty much a running commentary from the screen reader about what each thing does. I don&#039;t listen to much of it before pressing on, but it&#039;s all there and available in a free screen reader such as NVDA. So I&#039;m reasonably happy. 

Don&#039;t ask me about the logic of the new menu structure, because like Leonie it leaves me cold. The colour schemes don&#039;t help at all, me being one of those blindies with a bit of sight, and the blue on blue default is not exactly one of the brightest design ideas I&#039;ve come across. but then, small white mouse pointers on a white background, are also part of the Windows design tradition.

Anyone who&#039;s desperate enough can find an add-in that puts Office 2003 menus up there as well, one such being Classic Menus.

http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/Classic_Menu_for_Office_2007_47054_p/free.htm

(by the way, this may be a free download, but it&#039;s not a free program. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve been there before!)

As for IE7, well, I quite like it, and can&#039;t help noticing that they seem to have pinched some nice features from Firefox. The Favorites menu is a bit of a mess, and I&#039;m still not convinced about being able to use feeds effectively, but other wise it&#039;s OK. There are plenty of ways of using feeds elsewhere anyway.

Got to admit all this redesign is extremely silly, but if MS want to amuse themselves putting ribbons on their software, I&#039;ll try not to let it change my life. Wait till they have Bezier curved menus  with Christmas lights on, all programmed in Java. Things could be worse!

Vince.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several people here are miles further along the techie trail than I am, so what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>I only got rid of office 97 (yes, really) because Win XP started not to allow it to work properly. As Bill Gates once said, &#8220;Our stuff works better with our stuff&#8221;. Of course, I trust every word.</p>
<p>Casting MS Office aside was an opportunity to look at some alternatives, but they were all pretty hopeless for me, I regret to say. Having failed to get a squeak out of OpenOffice and having come unstuck with the various online suites (Zoho and the likes), I gave in and paid up for Office 2007 about 8 or 9 months ago.</p>
<p>Since then I&#8217;ve mounted a sort of pincer movement approach to learning the thing, partly learning the odd new keystroke when I&#8217;ve got the time, and mostly banging on with all those old keystrokes I was using before, and most of those work.</p>
<p>If I press Alt and get the Office button thing, and arrow right, I get pretty much a running commentary from the screen reader about what each thing does. I don&#8217;t listen to much of it before pressing on, but it&#8217;s all there and available in a free screen reader such as NVDA. So I&#8217;m reasonably happy. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask me about the logic of the new menu structure, because like Leonie it leaves me cold. The colour schemes don&#8217;t help at all, me being one of those blindies with a bit of sight, and the blue on blue default is not exactly one of the brightest design ideas I&#8217;ve come across. but then, small white mouse pointers on a white background, are also part of the Windows design tradition.</p>
<p>Anyone who&#8217;s desperate enough can find an add-in that puts Office 2003 menus up there as well, one such being Classic Menus.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/Classic_Menu_for_Office_2007_47054_p/free.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/Classic_Menu_for_Office_2007_47054_p/free.htm</a></p>
<p>(by the way, this may be a free download, but it&#8217;s not a free program. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve been there before!)</p>
<p>As for IE7, well, I quite like it, and can&#8217;t help noticing that they seem to have pinched some nice features from Firefox. The Favorites menu is a bit of a mess, and I&#8217;m still not convinced about being able to use feeds effectively, but other wise it&#8217;s OK. There are plenty of ways of using feeds elsewhere anyway.</p>
<p>Got to admit all this redesign is extremely silly, but if MS want to amuse themselves putting ribbons on their software, I&#8217;ll try not to let it change my life. Wait till they have Bezier curved menus  with Christmas lights on, all programmed in Java. Things could be worse!</p>
<p>Vince.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Freear</title>
		<link>http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=146&#038;cpage=1#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Freear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve not tried Office 2007, but I used to develop Windows software applications. A golden rule of user-interface design used to be, if bits of your software look like bits of Microsoft software (the File and Edit menus, Save and Open dialogs in Word for instance) then they should behave in the same way, including using the same keyboard shortcuts. Microsoft themselves followed this rule across the Office suite and between versions - it seems they&#039;ve broken it.
I searched for &quot;Office 2007 Classic mode&quot;, but the result is not encouraging, http://blogs.msdn.com/officerocker/archive/2007/04/12/classic-mode-for-2007.aspx
And, other people are critical, http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/index.php?p=74
(By the way, who&#039;s written this article?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not tried Office 2007, but I used to develop Windows software applications. A golden rule of user-interface design used to be, if bits of your software look like bits of Microsoft software (the File and Edit menus, Save and Open dialogs in Word for instance) then they should behave in the same way, including using the same keyboard shortcuts. Microsoft themselves followed this rule across the Office suite and between versions &#8211; it seems they&#8217;ve broken it.<br />
I searched for &#8220;Office 2007 Classic mode&#8221;, but the result is not encouraging, <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/officerocker/archive/2007/04/12/classic-mode-for-2007.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/officerocker/archive/2007/04/12/classic-mode-for-2007.aspx</a><br />
And, other people are critical, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/index.php?p=74" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/index.php?p=74</a><br />
(By the way, who&#8217;s written this article?)</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Higginbotham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Higginbotham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a bizzarre reversal of user experience I find ie7 with a screenreader the best thing since sliced bread.  Well maybe not quite that good but I do like the multiple tabs, no more need for multiple windows. significantly less keystrokes to move between whichever Browser tab I&#039;m in and any other application.  My Office 2007 experience isn&#039;t quite as extreme, I don&#039;t for instnace find Outlook all that different, although I am still quite unfamiliar with it and given a choice pick up the 2003 machine daily rather than the 2007 one.  Just one more thing we&#039;ll get used to I&#039;m sure the difficulty is as a screenreader user it doesn&#039;t just take longer for the tools to catch-up, it takes longer for us as users to catch-up too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a bizzarre reversal of user experience I find ie7 with a screenreader the best thing since sliced bread.  Well maybe not quite that good but I do like the multiple tabs, no more need for multiple windows. significantly less keystrokes to move between whichever Browser tab I&#8217;m in and any other application.  My Office 2007 experience isn&#8217;t quite as extreme, I don&#8217;t for instnace find Outlook all that different, although I am still quite unfamiliar with it and given a choice pick up the 2003 machine daily rather than the 2007 one.  Just one more thing we&#8217;ll get used to I&#8217;m sure the difficulty is as a screenreader user it doesn&#8217;t just take longer for the tools to catch-up, it takes longer for us as users to catch-up too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben 'Cerbera' Millard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you find the IE7 interface? As a sighted user, it seems like a disaster to me. Press Alt to display the menu bar. Why? Where else does it need to be?

Browse multiple pages with desaturated blue boxes...apparently these are meant to be tabs. So why not make them look like tabs?

I get the feeling Microsoft&#039;s usability people, the people who make Windows 95 and Windows XP the most usable of their era, are being ignored or have been replaced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you find the IE7 interface? As a sighted user, it seems like a disaster to me. Press Alt to display the menu bar. Why? Where else does it need to be?</p>
<p>Browse multiple pages with desaturated blue boxes&#8230;apparently these are meant to be tabs. So why not make them look like tabs?</p>
<p>I get the feeling Microsoft&#8217;s usability people, the people who make Windows 95 and Windows XP the most usable of their era, are being ignored or have been replaced.</p>
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